Universe 25 experiment

Squishybear

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The "Universe 25" experiment, conducted by ethologist John B. Calhoun in 1968, was designed to observe the effects of overpopulation on social behavior. He created a "mouse utopia" with unlimited food, water, and nesting material, and zero predators or disease. Despite these perfect conditions, the enclosed mouse society completely collapsed
Animals became increasingly violent, developed abnormal sexual behaviors, and began neglecting or even attacking their own pups.

Notice any similarities to modern society? Yet scientist claim it shouldn’t be applied to humans cos we are “more adaptable, complex and intelligent”. Well I disagree.
 
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It's an old tale ...

"Before the destruction of Carthage the fear of an enemy preserved the good morals of the Roman state. But when that dread was removed from their minds, licentiousness and pride, evils which prosperity fosters, vied for entry."

Sallust, The War with Catiline

That's the paradox with societal struggles. While struggle builds a great society, the ultimate goal of that struggle (which is peace, security and to overcome the struggle) is often the very thing that will corrupt society.
 
yes highly similar to our society in that the experimenters (overseers) artificially controlled space, housing, food and water in an artificial and confined environment. It mimics an urban environment with walls or a small island. Alas, other than that it does not scale to humans because we have Intellect, agriculture, social organization to build infrastructure, ability for organized warfare and a soul.
 
it does not scale to humans because we have Intellect

you could have fooled me!
 
I believe we have an Intellect bestowed by God. Otherwise we are no better than chimps and gorillas throwing poop
 
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Also, in a natural environment the mice population would be quickly reduced by predators, famine and disease/plagues. Humans live by the same interdependent laws of nature as other living creatures.

The three species Lotka-Volterra food chain equations are a more accurate model for living populations

Fig 1. Shows how each population declines and increases depending on the other species
Fig 2. 3D chart
Fig 3. The equations
 

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Notice any similarities to modern society? Yet scientist claim it shouldn’t be applied to humans cos we are “more adaptable, complex and intelligent”. Well I disagree.
Squishybear
The mice devolved into four "classes"

The Beautiful Ones: These male mice completely withdrew from society. They spent their days narcissistically grooming, eating, and sleeping. They refused to fight or mate.

The Probers: Hyperactive, anti-social males who roamed aggressively. They initiated violent attacks, engaged in indiscriminate mating attempts, and committed cannibalism.

Alpha Despots: Dominant males who lost their ability to effectively defend territory, leading to violent, unpredictable outbursts of rage against their own females and young.

Withdrawn Females: Stressed by the constant intrusion of other mice, females abandoned or physically attacked their own offspring.

Remind you of anyone in our society?
 
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