A Good X Post on the Potential Benefits to Society of Bringing Back Slavery

CaptainTrouble

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Basically, by not having slavery we've removed the "duty to the slave" and replaced it with a corrupt government that wastes people's tax-dollars without truly benefiting the people who would otherwise be slaves. By reimplementing slavery we have the potential to both improve our society as a whole and improve the lives of the slaves.


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Wage slaving is slavery

dont even get me started on tax slavery

just my humble opinion
 
I agree but I don't feel this type of slavery is actually good for society compared to the old type. Or perhaps we could create a new type. The people who would be slaves need strict guidance from a slave master. Benjamin Franklin has a good quote about as people becomes less virtuous they require more masters. A good portion of our underclass need guidance by a master and a government is not suitable to this task. Having actual slaves instead of wage slaves could actually be a good thing. It would hopefully reduce the need of a social safety net system almost entirely and then we could nearly get rid of taxes.
 
I am all for dangerous freedom first then once law and order are restored and the criminal and mentally ill are put away then i would look over the land and see what trouble might be still about. I highly doubt that that trouble would be the need to enslave someone but i dont know as of yet. Chances are there would be to much to do and the natural order of things would take care of the rest as those that dont work dont eat and those that dont eat die. Not much left to enslave after the useless are dead and gone.

Lots to try before i would think of enslaving another human being as the thought of it makes me queezy and out of sink with myself
 
Basically, by not having slavery we've removed the "duty to the slave" and replaced it with a corrupt government that wastes people's tax-dollars without truly benefiting the people who would otherwise be slaves. By reimplementing slavery we have the potential to both improve our society as a whole and improve the lives of the slaves.
CaptainTrouble
Imagine fantasizing that Roman slavery was more benevolent than any other kind. Hey, you're free to volunteer to be the property of another man any time you like -- or am I correct in guessing that you want to be the owner of other human beings, rather than being the owned? If slavery were good for the slaves there would never have been any slave revolts.

Vedius Pollio, a Roman of equestrian rank, and one of the friends of the late Emperor Augustus, found a method of exercising his cruelty by means of this animal [the lamprey], for he caused such slaves as had been condemned by him, to be thrown into preserves filled with murænæ; not that the land animals would not have fully sufficed for this purpose, but because he could not see a man so aptly torn to pieces all at once by any other kind of animal. (Pliny the Elder, The Natural History, Ch. 39)
 
So, philosophically speaking, you believe people always do what's in their interests? You don't believe some people need to be forced into doing the right thing for themselves and their community? You don't think some people react better to a stick than total liberty?
 
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"You don't believe some people need to be forced into doing the right thing for themselves and their community?"

Fuck no, obviously not -- are you kidding? Why would anybody need to be forced into doing something that was to their own benefit? If it was to their own benefit they would choose to do it freely
 
@ChevChelios so, children always do the right thing for themselves? Young adults don't make wrong choices? Drug addicts don't make bad decisions? People with 85 IQ don't make worse choices than people with 100 IQ? Some people's superior experience and information gathering doesn't cause them to have a better take for what would be in another person's interest than another? Some generals in the military are good at making decisions and some are bad but they're both trying to make the best decision, why the difference?
 
@CaptainTrouble: "so, children always do the right thing for themselves? Young adults don't make wrong choices?"

Free adult Western men are neither children nor gullible youths, so you can't propose their enslavement on that basis
 
@ChevChelios I do not believe all men in the West deserve to have freedom, especially the non-Whites. The only thing preventing this is the current structure of society which can shift at any moment ofc. Keep in mind, the non-Whites won't give you any credit for being nice to them if the power shifts in their favor. Universal "human rights" exist only because of White people and if your beliefs undermine the power of Whites such that White people lose dominance over the Earth, you'll have likely doomed your descendents to slavery.
 
"I think that we should bring back slavery because it was really good for the slaves!"
"Cool, so are you volunteering to become a slave yourself?"
"Fuck no, are you insane?"
 
Isn't that what people are doing when they commit petty crime to try to get a jail stay so they get some free food and water?

Also, why would you compare me to would be slaves? Remember, humans are not equal.
 
Nobody but the most socially marginal types would ever commit a crime in order to get free bed and board in a prison, but that aside if you think that you are a natural slave-master you should consider how helpless you would be within 48-72 hours of the power going out in a SHTF scenario. It's possible that you have the personality, supplies and munitions at hand to establish yourself as the Rape Overlord of your suburban neighbourhood, but it really isn't likely
 
@ChevChelios actually, given my neighborhood, I'd be in pretty good shape. I live in one of the Whitest largest cities left in Canada with good ties to the community. But this sort of apocalyptic type scenario is extremely unlikely to go down. The government benefits too much from its tax cattle for things to go down like this.

I doubt I have the wealth to be a slave owner. I'd likely be in the middle between a slave master and slave, as most people would be.
 
No, I think it's best if we just turn the homeless into tires for our cars. That way we would still have homeless, but we can use them for our cars. This would ease the impact of climate change as well. It's like recycling.


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Basically, by not having slavery we've removed the "duty to the slave" and replaced it with a corrupt government that wastes people's tax-dollars without truly benefiting the people who would otherwise be slaves. By reimplementing slavery we have the potential to both improve our society as a whole and improve the lives of the slaves.


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Interesting. But it won't happen because with the advent of the industrial revolution slavery simply became too expensive. You have to keep care of a slave 24/7, sick or well, old or young, but workers are disposable and once you negotiate a salary how they keep body and soul together is none of your business. Makes me wonder how industry is going to decrease their expenses on workers even more?
 
Social Credit Score is the next ticket to decrease salaries. Once the AI surveillance system is fully in place, people's access to resources will be restricted by "social credit score" and in this way the Judeo-Government and its cronies will have a "justified" excuse to give you even less resources (bad Social Credit Score) and you'll be too tied to the system to have any options otherwise. You already saw the beginning of it through ESG and DEI under the guise of "sustainability" both of which reduce people's overall access to resources under the guise of "being a good person".
 
It is a melancholy object to those, who walk through this great town, or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabbin-doors crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags, and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in stroling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants who, as they grow up, either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country, to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.

I think it is agreed by all parties, that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom, a very great additional grievance; and therefore whoever could find out a fair, cheap and easy method of making these children sound and useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the publick, as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars: it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age, who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them, as those who demand our charity in the streets.

As to my own part, having turned my thoughts for many years upon this important subject, and maturely weighed the several schemes of our projectors, I have always found them grossly mistaken in their computation. It is true, a child just dropt from its dam, may be supported by her milk, for a solar year, with little other nourishment: at most not above the value of two shillings, which the mother may certainly get, or the value in scraps, by her lawful occupation of begging; and it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner, as, instead of being a charge upon their parents, or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall, on the contrary, contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us, sacrificing the poor innocent babes, I doubt, more to avoid the expence than the shame, which would move tears and pity in the most savage and inhuman breast.

The number of souls in this kingdom being usually reckoned one million and a half, of these I calculate there may be about two hundred thousand couple, whose wives are breeders; from which number I subtract thirty thousand couple, who are able to maintain their own children, (although I apprehend there cannot be so many under the present distresses of the kingdom) but this being granted, there will remain a hundred and seventy thousand breeders. I again subtract fifty thousand, for those women who miscarry, or whose children die by accident or disease within the year. There only remain a hundred and twenty thousand children of poor parents annually born. The question therefore is, How this number shall be reared and provided for? which, as I have already said, under the present situation of affairs, is utterly impossible by all the methods hitherto proposed. For we can neither employ them in handicraft or agriculture; they neither build houses, (I mean in the country) nor cultivate land: they can very seldom pick up a livelihood by stealing till they arrive at six years old; except where they are of towardly parts, although I confess they learn the rudiments much earlier; during which time they can however be properly looked upon only as probationers; as I have been informed by a principal gentleman in the county of Cavan, who protested to me, that he never knew above one or two instances under the age of six, even in a part of the kingdom so renowned for the quickest proficiency in that art.

I am assured by our merchants, that a boy or a girl, before twelve years old, is no saleable commodity, and even when they come to this age, they will not yield above three pounds, or three pounds and half a crown at most, on the exchange; which cannot turn to account either to the parents or kingdom, the charge of nutriments and rags having been at least four times that value.

I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.

I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasee, or a ragoust.

I do therefore humbly offer it to publick consideration, that of the hundred and twenty thousand children, already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle, or swine, and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore, one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in sale to the persons of quality and fortune, through the kingdom, always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump, and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends, and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt, will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.

I have reckoned upon a medium, that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, encreaseth to 28 pounds.

I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children.

Infant’s flesh will be in season throughout the year, but more plentiful in March, and a little before and after; for we are told by a grave author, an eminent French physician, that fish being a prolifick dyet, there are more children born in Roman Catholick countries about nine months after Lent, than at any other season; therefore, reckoning a year after Lent, the markets will be more glutted than usual, because the number of Popish infants, is at least three to one in this kingdom, and therefore it will have one other collateral advantage, by lessening the number of Papists among us.

I have already computed the charge of nursing a beggar’s child (in which list I reckon all cottagers, labourers, and four-fifths of the farmers) to be about two shillings per annum, rags included; and I believe no gentleman would repine to give ten shillings for the carcass of a good fat child, which, as I have said, will make four dishes of excellent nutritive meat, when he hath only some particular friend, or his own family to dine with him. Thus the squire will learn to be a good landlord, and grow popular among his tenants, the mother will have eight shillings neat profit, and be fit for work till she produces another child.

Those who are more thrifty (as I must confess the times require) may flay the carcass; the skin of which, artificially dressed, will make admirable gloves for ladies, and summer boots for fine gentlemen.

As to our City of Dublin, shambles may be appointed for this purpose, in the most convenient parts of it, and butchers we may be assured will not be wanting; although I rather recommend buying the children alive, and dressing them hot from the knife, as we do roasting pigs.

A very worthy person, a true lover of his country, and whose virtues I highly esteem, was lately pleased in discoursing on this matter, to offer a refinement upon my scheme. He said, that many gentlemen of this kingdom, having of late destroyed their deer, he conceived that the want of venison might be well supplied by the bodies of young lads and maidens, not exceeding fourteen years of age, nor under twelve; so great a number of both sexes in every county being now ready to starve for want of work and service: and these to be disposed of by their parents if alive, or otherwise by their nearest relations. But with due deference to so excellent a friend, and so deserving a patriot, I cannot be altogether in his sentiments; for as to the males, my American acquaintance assured me from frequent experience, that their flesh was generally tough and lean, like that of our schoolboys, by continual exercise, and their taste disagreeable, and to fatten them would not answer the charge. Then as to the females, it would, I think, with humble submission, be a loss to the publick, because they soon would become breeders themselves: and besides, it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice, (although indeed very unjustly) as a little bordering upon cruelty, which, I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, how well soever intended.

But in order to justify my friend, he confessed, that this expedient was put into his head by the famous Psalmanaazor, a native of the island Formosa, who came from thence to London, above twenty years ago, and in conversation told my friend, that in his country, when any young person happened to be put to death, the executioner sold the carcass to persons of quality, as a prime dainty; and that, in his time, the body of a plump girl of fifteen, who was crucified for an attempt to poison the Emperor, was sold to his imperial majesty’s prime minister of state, and other great mandarins of the court in joints from the gibbet, at four hundred crowns. Neither indeed can I deny, that if the same use were made of several plump young girls in this town, who without one single groat to their fortunes, cannot stir abroad without a chair, and appear at a playhouse and assemblies in foreign fineries which they never will pay for, the kingdom would not be the worse.

Some persons of a desponding spirit are in great concern about that vast number of poor people, who are aged, diseased, or maimed; and I have been desired to employ my thoughts what course may be taken, to ease the nation of so grievous an incumbrance. But I am not in the least pain upon that matter, because it is very well known, that they are every day dying, and rotting, by cold and famine, and filth, and vermin, as fast as can be reasonably expected. And as to the young labourers, they are now in almost as hopeful a condition. They cannot get work, and consequently pine away from want of nourishment, to a degree, that if at any time they are accidentally hired to common labour, they have not strength to perform it, and thus the country and themselves are happily delivered from the evils to come.

I have too long digressed, and therefore shall return to my subject. I think the advantages by the proposal which I have made are obvious and many, as well as of the highest importance.

For first, as I have already observed, it would greatly lessen the number of Papists, with whom we are yearly overrun, being the principal breeders of the nation, as well as our most dangerous enemies, and who stay at home on purpose with a design to deliver the kingdom to the Pretender, hoping to take their advantage by the absence of so many good Protestants, who have chosen rather to leave their country, than stay at home and pay tithes against their conscience to an episcopal curate.

Secondly, The poorer tenants will have something valuable of their own, which by law may be made liable to a distress, and help to pay their landlord’s rent, their corn and cattle being already seized, and money a thing unknown.

Thirdly, Whereas the maintainance of a hundred thousand children, from two years old, and upwards, cannot be computed at less than ten shillings a piece per annum, the nation’s stock will be thereby encreased fifty thousand pounds per annum, besides the profit of a new dish, introduced to the tables of all gentlemen of fortune in the kingdom, who have any refinement in taste. And the money will circulate among our selves, the goods being entirely of our own growth and manufacture.

Fourthly, The constant breeders, besides the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year.

Fifthly, This food would likewise bring great custom to taverns, where the vintners will certainly be so prudent as to procure the best receipts for dressing it to perfection; and consequently have their houses frequented by all the fine gentlemen, who justly value themselves upon their knowledge in good eating; and a skilful cook, who understands how to oblige his guests, will contrive to make it as expensive as they please.

Sixthly, This would be a great inducement to marriage, which all wise nations have either encouraged by rewards, or enforced by laws and penalties. It would encrease the care and tenderness of mothers towards their children, when they were sure of a settlement for life to the poor babes, provided in some sort by the publick, to their annual profit instead of expence. We should soon see an honest emulation among the married women, which of them could bring the fattest child to the market. Men would become as fond of their wives, during the time of their pregnancy, as they are now of their mares in foal, their cows in calf, or sows when they are ready to farrow; nor offer to beat or kick them (as is too frequent a practice) for fear of a miscarriage.

Many other advantages might be enumerated. For instance, the addition of some thousand carcasses in our exportation of barrel’d beef: the propagation of swine’s flesh, and improvement in the art of making good bacon, so much wanted among us by the great destruction of pigs, too frequent at our tables; which are no way comparable in taste or magnificence to a well grown, fat yearling child, which roasted whole will make a considerable figure at a Lord Mayor’s feast, or any other publick entertainment. But this, and many others, I omit, being studious of brevity.

Supposing that one thousand families in this city, would be constant customers for infants flesh, besides others who might have it at merry meetings, particularly at weddings and christenings, I compute that Dublin would take off annually about twenty thousand carcasses; and the rest of the kingdom (where probably they will be sold somewhat cheaper) the remaining eighty thousand.

I can think of no one objection, that will possibly be raised against this proposal, unless it should be urged, that the number of people will be thereby much lessened in the kingdom. This I freely own, and was indeed one principal design in offering it to the world. I desire the reader will observe, that I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither clothes, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shopkeepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.

But, as to myself, having been wearied out for many years with offering vain, idle, visionary thoughts, and at length utterly despairing of success, I fortunately fell upon this proposal, which, as it is wholly new, so it hath something solid and real, of no expence and little trouble, full in our own power, and whereby we can incur no danger in disobliging England. For this kind of commodity will not bear exportation, and flesh being of too tender a consistence, to admit a long continuance in salt, although perhaps I could name a country, which would be glad to eat up our whole nation without it.

After all, I am not so violently bent upon my own opinion, as to reject any offer, proposed by wise men, which shall be found equally innocent, cheap, easy, and effectual. But before something of that kind shall be advanced in contradiction to my scheme, and offering a better, I desire the author or authors will be pleased maturely to consider two points. First, As things now stand, how they will be able to find food and raiment for a hundred thousand useless mouths and backs. And secondly, There being a round million of creatures in humane figure throughout this kingdom, whose whole subsistence put into a common stock, would leave them in debt two million of pounds sterling, adding those who are beggars by profession, to the bulk of farmers, cottagers and labourers, with their wives and children, who are beggars in effect; I desire those politicians who dislike my overture, and may perhaps be so bold to attempt an answer, that they will first ask the parents of these mortals, whether they would not at this day think it a great happiness to have been sold for food at a year old, in the manner I prescribe, and thereby have avoided such a perpetual scene of misfortunes, as they have since gone through, by the oppression of landlords, the impossibility of paying rent without money or trade, the want of common sustenance, with neither house nor clothes to cover them from the inclemencies of the weather, and the most inevitable prospect of intailing the like, or greater miseries, upon their breed for ever.

I profess in the sincerity of my heart, that I have not the least personal interest in endeavouring to promote this necessary work, having no other motive than the publick good of my country, by advancing our trade, providing for infants, relieving the poor, and giving some pleasure to the rich. I have no children, by which I can propose to get a single penny; the youngest being nine years old, and my wife past child-bearing.
 
Liberals are only opposed to slavery because it was racist. (Hence why they don't care about how Coast Salish Indians or Turks/Muslims practiced slavery) Or how it is still practiced today in Africa. Remember for liberals only whites can be racist so slavery is only bad if whites are the slave owners.

The millions of young Canadians who work simply to pay 80% of their income in rent to a Chinese or Indian landlord and the rest to food and other bills are living in slavery, but it's OK for liberals because those benefitting are not white so it's not racist and they "chose it" - and for liberals if someone "chooses" something it becomes good, never mind if it was forced by society (just like they "chose" to get vaccinated after being threatened to lose their job and ability to move about society).
 
Basically, by not having slavery we've removed the "duty to the slave" and replaced it with a corrupt government that wastes people's tax-dollars without truly benefiting the people who would otherwise be slaves. By reimplementing slavery we have the potential to both improve our society as a whole and improve the lives of the slaves.


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CaptainTrouble

Would the jeets make good slaves though? I guess if you provided a blow up girlfriend so they could get bobs and vagene it may work.... lol
 
In reality under the current regime if slavery instituted. It will be treated like status symbol to keep a human way above living standard of normal people. To show off your wealth just like late Roman Republic.
 
If we're seriously considering reinstating slavery as a means to fix society then we should change the name of this forum, because "FreeCanada" doesn't accurately describe it anymore
 
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, unless they are niggers or other inferiors."

See, we don't have to change the name, all the right people are still free.
 
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